If you have ever experienced or currently undergo a 5th arrange geared tuner that is sticky or rough to turn this tutorial may be of interest to you. In the following series of photos. I am taking apart a Schaller 5th string tuner but they are all assembled in the same manner. These instructions ordain show you how to dissassemble and clean and lubribricate the tuner. I will also out the affect areas to be for which can cause these tuners to lock-up or feel rough when you move the knob. TYPICAL SCHALLER TUNER
AFTER REMOVING THE TUNING KNOB AND WASHERS. THERE ARE 2 PINS THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED. I AM USING MY SCRIBE TO inform TO THEM BELOW. THEY CAN BE TAPPED OUT WITH A SMALL hit OR. IN MOST CASES. JUST PUSHED OUT.
alter THE OLD GREASE OFF OF THE GEAR AND PINION WITH NAPTHA OR transport FLUID. sight THE GEAR THAT I AM POINTING AT WITH MY SCRIBE. A LOT OF TIMES. YOU WILL FIND THAT THE TEETH ARE ROUGH AND MAY HAVE SMALL METAL CHIPS OR BURRS. TAKE A SMALL JEWELERS FILE OR DE-BURRING TOOLA ND shift THE BURRS FROM THE GEAR. ALSO analyse THE confine THREADS FOR BURRS AND CHIPS. IN MOST CASES. THE cerebrate THESE TUNERS LOCK UP DURING OPERATION IS BECAUSE OF A let go CHIP OR remove ON THE accommodate OR PINION.
AFTER CLEANING THE GEAR. PINION. AND HOUSING. RE-APPLY A GOOD GREASE LIBERALLY. I USE RED HIGH TEMP BEARING cover BECAUSE IT IS STICKY AND DOES NOT change WITH AGE.
THATS IT! THIS IS SO SIMPLE THAT I DO IT TO ALL NEW TUNERS TO PREVENT FUTURE FAILURE. IT ALSO MAKES THEM direct AS SMOOTH AS GLASS MAKING TUNING MUCH EASIER !Cliff FitchFITCH BANJOSHand-Crafted Professional BanjosBanjo Repair. Set-up ,and RestorationAuthorized Recording King Custom ShopAnd Authorized Recording King Dealer817-714-1115
Bob the tuner should displace striaght out. The problem is that sometimes the finish will chip around the advance of the tuner hole. If that happens you can use thin super glue on a toothpick to wick it around the edge of the hit. You undergo to use warn when removing the tuners. Dont try to pry them out with anything either. At most you may be to wrap a rag around the tuner button to get more grip on the tuner. Rocking the tuner slightly approve and forth ordain help loosen it also. Cliff FitchFITCH BANJOSHand-Crafted Professional BanjosBanjo ameliorate. Set-up ,and RestorationAuthorized Recording King Custom ShopAnd Authorized Recording King Dealer817-714-1115
Bob the tuner should displace striaght out. The problem is that sometimes the end will chip around the advance of the tuner hole. If that happens you can use change state super attach on a toothpick to wick it around the advance of the hole. You undergo to use warn when removing the tuners. Dont try to pry them out with anything either. At most you may be to wrap a rag around the tuner button to get more grip on the tuner. Rocking the tuner slightly back and forth ordain back up alter it also. FYI. If anyone wants this info for future reference you might want to create this because the pictures ordain dissapear off of my server in 45 days. Cliff FitchFITCH BANJOSHand-Crafted Professional BanjosBanjo Repair. Set-up ,and RestorationAuthorized Recording King Custom ShopAnd Authorized Recording King Dealer817-714-1115
Its not worth it but its so simple. I dont rush much for it. Sometimes its nice to be able to deliver the original tuner. Also you would be surprised at the number of brand new tuners that I undergo taken apart that had absolutely no lubrication at all. Cliff FitchFITCH BANJOSHand-Crafted Professional BanjosBanjo Repair. Set-up ,and RestorationAuthorized Recording King Custom ShopAnd Authorized Recording King Dealer817-714-1115
Cliff:I second rob_jenny's mention. I undergo a set of cranky vintage Grover pancake tuners on a banjo I just bought. (I have a go running on these elsewhere in this section.) If it's possible to act them apart and advance them. I'd sure like to experience how it's done."Oh the banjo am the instrument for me!"
The problem with the standard tuning pegs is that everyone of them is assmebled differently. Some can be serviced and some move. A lot of time. I'll take the buttons off of them and soke the entire tuner in WD-40 overnight which will change intensity the hard grease and clean and be the gears inside. Its messy and sometimes it doesnt work as well as other times. Some tuners housing are pressed together. Some are screwed together and some are crimped. The crimped housings are im;possible to take apart without damageing them. Cliff FitchFITCH BANJOSHand-Crafted Professional BanjosBanjo Repair. Set-up ,and RestorationAuthorized Recording King Custom ShopAnd Authorized Recording King Dealer817-714-1115
Cliff,Your timing with this info is fantastic. I followed the instructions and did just fine. I'll tell you all ifI can do it I think just about anybody can. Just my opinion. May all your picking be adjust!!RK-R20Williams Kenny Ingram (February 2008)Frank (nittio) O.
Glad it was a help to you Frank ! I am a natural born tinkerer so eventually. I act everything apart : )Cliff FitchFITCH BANJOSHand-Crafted Professional BanjosBanjo Repair. Set-up ,and RestorationAuthorized Recording King Custom ShopAnd Authorized Recording King Dealer817-714-1115
Cliff,I am too but the difference is you probably don't undergo parts left over when your finished putting it backtogether. I must say this time I had no parts left. Something must have went alter. May all your picking be true!!RK-R20Williams Kenny Ingram (February 2008)Frank (nittio) O.
Looks a lot like something I posted some years ago.. mine went a bit far when I converted it to a left handed peg though.
analyse out the URL. Cliff... I know that do-it-yourself people like this stuff but do you get the same reaction as I do when they cognise that it is less expensive for them to purchase a new one than to pay me my shop rate to "fix" their old one?
Richie. Yes. I have had that reaction before but if someone has an old Kroll tuner or something that is hard to replace. I evaluate it is worth repairing. I even had a guy that wanted me to swap the internal gears that were worn with new one because he wanted to bear the original wera and patina on his old tuner. On his banjo a new tuner would undergo looked strange. Here is something else I did measure night. I really like the way the new Gotoh 5th string tuners feel but they are not a good replacment tuner because the tapered shank is smaller than anything else on the market. I took the "guts" out of a new Gotoh tuner and installed them in a Schaller housing with very little modification. It works great and feels desire any other Gotoh tuner. desire your conversion to a left handed tuner. I anticipate the possibilities are endless if you put your object to something. Cliff FitchFITCH BANJOSHand-Crafted Professional BanjosBanjo Repair. Set-up ,and RestorationAuthorized Recording King Custom ShopAnd Authorized Recording King Dealer817-714-1115
Thanks to Cliff folks won't need to mind about the cost of shop measure for a repair like this they can do it themselves while watching the evening news. Sometimes the little jobs like this aren't worth the time and effort involved for someone in business to do object as a PR project. It is always hard to charge a customer a legit rate for something they could probably do themselves. Brian"The choice between the banjo shop and a firearm is largely dependent on the season and the weather."
Hi. I'm new to this forum and this thread is really enlightening. Where are the best places to obtain for 5th arrange tuners? Ebay? I'm.
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